Kenneth Hite ([info]princeofcairo) wrote,
@ 2005-05-25 13:14:00
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Episode III, Hite 0
Saw Revenge of the Sith for the second time Tuesday with [info]kaynorr, this time in digital projection and from the center sightlines, rather than at midnight from the second row as [info]voxel, [info]gnosticpi, and I did on the Night of Madness Friday.

The first twenty minutes are the best twenty minutes in any film in the sextet, with the possible exception of the first twenty minutes of Return of the Jedi, on which they were obviously modeled. Throughout, Lucas proves himself (again) to be one of the best cinematographers in SF film history, with a brilliant sense of wonder and some elegantly composed (albeit occasionally far too busy) shots. Well worth the second ticket, just to see without a crick in my neck.

That said...

I lowered my expectations for Episode III as far as they would go. I expected five lightsaber duels, and a beaded dress on Natalie Portman, and that was it. And after the first viewing, I felt that those expectations had been met, along with that first set piece.

The trouble with the second viewing is that it was much harder to avoid the damage Lucas did to all of the things about Episode III that I still liked. Just the nonsense that closes out that last lightsaber duel ("I have the high ground!" of all the stupid, pointless things for one Jedi to say to another) almost eclipses the vitiation of the entire reason to care about the six films. ("Only a Sith talks in absolutes!" "Well, thank gosh there's no such thing as a Dark Side, then. You've really cleared that up for me, thanks." "The Chancellor is evil!" "Would you just make up your damn mind?") And on a sheerly geek note (one of many): it apparently takes more time to fly across town on Coruscant than it does to go from Coruscant to Mustafar in the Outer Rim. I suspect the Chancellor's promise to clear up aircar gridlock has a lot to do with his popularity in the Senate.

But this doesn't just point up my geekery, it points up Lucas' carelessness. How can you be expected to maintain (or even build) tension when everywhere is just a scene wipe away? (Compare, say, the tension built by Luke's race from Dagobah to Bespin in Empire.)

But Lucas doesn't care about his script, under which gelid wodge of pork fat he immures the cast, especially Natalie Portman. They suffer like the damned frozen beneath Cocytus, mouthing clunking, mud-brick dialogue -- "wooden" dialogue is several TLs above this stuff -- that Nat Levine would have cut in a heartbeat from any serial on the Republic lot. (Lucas' admitted fondness for Republic serials may be why he retains such power and skill in twenty-minute action sequences with no dialogue more complex than "Open all ports and drag fins!") Only Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid, in the great tradition of British paycheck-cashing thespians, force their heads above the goo long enough to actually act, if one classifies McGregor's by now blatant (and obviously intentional) Alec Guinness impression as acting.

Fortunately, we then went back to [info]kaynorr's and watched the real Star Wars (well, mostly real -- Greedo shoots first on DVD), which wasn't at all ruined. As it turned out, it was even better than I had remembered it. So hurrah for the good guys.

But if I read one more reviewer call Poutykin McSulkwalker's "Teen Coriolanus" character arc "Shakespearean", I'm going to turn to the Relatively Dark Side myself.




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[info]pyat
2005-05-25 06:21 pm UTC (link)
"wooden" dialogue is several TLs above this stuff

God Bless You, Mister Hite!

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[info]themagdalen
2005-05-25 06:56 pm UTC (link)
That was my fave, too.

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[info]innersamurai
2005-05-27 04:09 am UTC (link)
God Bless You, Mister Rosewater!

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[info]patricks
2005-05-25 07:46 pm UTC (link)
Agreed on the opening sequence. I also thought the fall of the Jedi sequence and the closing scenes setting up A New Hope excelled. 'I have the high ground' made no sense to me, either, especially since it came out of nowhere - and is contradicted by every earlier lightsaber duel, in which people are constantly jumping on top of things and leaping over each other.

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[info]eyebeams
2005-05-25 08:06 pm UTC (link)
My theory is that it's an intentional contrast with the end of the Obi-Wan/Maul fight in TPM. Anakin will fall for it where Obi-Wan won't because Anakin's fixation on his anger betrays his intentions.

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[info]yojimbouk
2005-05-25 08:18 pm UTC (link)
My girlfriend fell asleep during the opening twenty minutes. Perhaps they issued a different, slower, more stupid cut of the sequence in the UK, with added tension-breaking buddy-buddy dialogue, really stupid robots (not just the round ones used as weapons, but the ones that are still using flammable hydrocarbons for lubricant, and the ones that haven't realised they're robots and don't need to keep their massive starship pressurised) and annoying R2D2 'comedy' interludes.

The one thing that I think best demonstrates the lack of joined-up thinking in RotS and the whole first trilogy is summed up by one thing: General Grievous. A bad guy produced out of thin air for this film, an organic being wrapped in a sinister cybernetic skeleton. An organic being who hates Jedi. An organic being with Sith eyes.

What has been set up here? What one thing would have pulled the trilogy together, as well as making sense of Palpatine's speech about bringing the dead back to life and foreshadowing the imprisonment of Anakin's shattered remains inside the dark shell of Darth Vader?

Fuck you, George Lucas. That should have been Darth Maul inside General Grievous's exoskeleton, only you were too stupid to give us the three-second shot that would have achieved it.

For me, the best thing about Revenge of the Sith is that its release means George Lucas has finished pissing on my childhood.

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[info]unseelie23
2005-05-25 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Not that I'm defending Grievious... he bothered me too, but he wasn't conjured out of nowhere for this film. He's from the Clone Wars cartoons. I chalk this one up to one of the same mistakes that the second and third Matrix films made... assuming that you've watched/read everything in the franchise.

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[info]ashamel
2005-05-25 10:56 pm UTC (link)
So, was the kid that defended Senator Organa from the books, or just a random Jedi? I think I'd prefer the latter.

In total, I thought it was all pretty uninspiring.

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[info]heliograph
2005-05-25 09:06 pm UTC (link)
The excessive background movement also irritated me in the dialog scenes. A friend explained it was for the kids: they wouldn't be bored by the dialog if there was lots of movement in the background. Cats should also enjoy the film.

What's up with the landing gear fetish? I didn't keep count, but I can't think of a vehicle in the film that didn't show us its landing gear unfolding.

Ian McDiarmid will walk away with this year's MTV Best Villian Cackling Award.

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[info]biomekanic
2005-05-25 09:59 pm UTC (link)
I recently read that the landing gear fetish is ILM's way of saying "HA!-HA! See how kewl we are! We R0XX0RS!11!!! We can show realistic landing gear on CGI spacecraft! WE are teh lords of OMGWTFBBQ!11!!1!"
Apparently the lack of realistic landing gear affects in Eps. IV-VI caused some sort of weird inferiority complex, and they're compensating for it.
I suspect gold chains, shirts open to the navel, and inappropriate sports cars will be the next step.

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[info]thorkell
2005-05-25 10:42 pm UTC (link)
My thoughts on it http://www.livejournal.com/users/thorkell/193852.html

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Did the digital projection make a difference?
[info]gopower
2005-05-26 03:35 am UTC (link)
Was the digital projection an improvement?

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Re: Did the digital projection make a difference?
[info]princeofcairo
2005-05-26 08:10 am UTC (link)
I can't easily separate the improvement due to digital projection from the improvement due to not sitting in the second row, but I'd guess it's likely.

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[info]walsfeo
2005-05-26 04:32 am UTC (link)
Lucas is a horrible director. Simply awful. A big bottle of Suckola Cola.

And his scripts? The stench from those... well best not to go into it, someone in the world is probably eating.

However he is one of the best producers ever. What he lacks in talent of his own, he makes up in his ability marshal other people to do their best work. He can get the best out of folks, and that is a rare skill indeed.

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[info]madmanofprague
2005-05-26 06:39 am UTC (link)
Too bad that didn't involve someone with a good ear to do the script rewrites.

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-26 04:05 pm UTC (link)
No. The script problems are all Lucas' fault. From what I have heard, there have been plenty of people who have tried to assist him with notes and rewrites. Carrie Fisher reportedly gave him extensive notes for Padme's character in Ep. II. Lucas just doesn't listen.

It was interesting, though, contrasting how well Lucas did with the Emperor's dialogue compared with the other scenes. It reminded me of the board room scenes from ANH where we see the maneuvering between Tarkin, Vader, and the other officers. Lucas might just be better at the politics and power games than with emotions and character development.

Jeb

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[info]walsfeo
2005-05-26 05:14 pm UTC (link)
Very true about the script problems. The one thing he has failed on with Episodes I-III must have been letting go enough to give the skilled tallent he gathered to allow their skills to shine.

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[info]humbleminion
2005-05-26 07:10 am UTC (link)
And on a sheerly geek note (one of many): it apparently takes more time to fly across town on Coruscant than it does to go from Coruscant to Mustafar in the Outer Rim.

To be fair, in Empire Strikes Back, Luke gets taught an entire course of Jedi training while Han, Leia and the Falcon are sitting on an asteroid waiting to realise that they're being eaten by a big slug.

Chronological dodginess is not confined to the prequels...

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[info]charlequin
2005-05-26 07:32 pm UTC (link)
I'll have to admit that I'm in the "what are you talking about?" category re: the first twenty minutes. To me, that whole opening scene felt like a pastiche of a Star Wars action sequence. All the elevator stuff was great, but once they reached the top it totally killed it for me -- Count Dooku strides in to do... what, exactly? Cackle evilly? Walk into what is blatantly obviously a trap for him? Fight poorly and die without putting up an impressive fight?

The space fighting stuff was shot pretty well, I guess, but I wasn't really sold on dedicating a space fight to scraping droids off someone's wing rather than, y'know, shooting down enemy fighters.

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[info]chronovore
2005-06-03 08:09 am UTC (link)
It looked to me like Dooku didn't know that he was about to be sold-out by Palpatine so that he could trade-up to Anakin.

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scabs
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2005-06-03 09:41 pm UTC (link)
all the flicks stink in detail
They are like an Achilles one poke and they die ,let it be.

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